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The year was 1992; rumors were running rampant as to what the next Star Trek film would be. Next Generation was drawing to a close, Deep Space 9 was ramping up...

At the radio station I worked at, our venerable Miracle Working Engineer had a niece who worked in the Star Trek offices... and he had information. Star Trek VII was to be a 'passing of the torch' film- original cast and Next Gen cast would be involved. I asked him if he were willing to see if we could get a treatment over the transom.

He said if he liked it, yes.

With no more than that information, I wrote the following. It went to the Star Trek offices. I know that De Forest Kelley and George Takei read it and really liked it. James Doohan also read it, but I don't know what he thought of it.

Naturally, it didn't get made.

In retrospect, I can see why. See if you can figure it out! Even though it's a 20 year dead project, I'm interested in hearing your criticism.

This is salvaged from 20 year old thermal fax paper. I wrote it down, errors and all, as it was submitted.

Star Trek VII
Citizen Kirk

By R. Ian Sutherland 12/3/92

Our story begins with a bar room brawl on Starbase Fastbase Earhart. A young Starfleet Lieutenant is fighting three Mer-somethings. The Lieutenant is stabbed in the back and the blade comes through the young officer’s chest. The officer laughs as he sees the knife. An ensign catches the Lieutenant as he falls. The ensign murmurs “Oh, God! Jean-Luc!” and calls for a medic.

We follow young Lieutenant Picard as he is rushed through the starbase on an anti-grav gurney to the base hospital. During transit, he flatlines and requires re-animation. Medics take him to the operating room and prepare him for immediate surgery. We hear a familiar voice state in no uncertain terms that he’s too old to play doctor anymore, but another voice informs him that he is Picard’s only hope, no one else at this starbase has performed a mechanical cardiac replacement procedure. McCoy protests at the lack of facilities and his own age, but agrees to consult.

AS the operation progresses, they discover that the mechanical heart is defective, but jury-rig it to perform properly. After several hours of surgery, the operation is declared a success.

Picard awakens to find Starfleet Academy Graduate School Commandant Uhura standing over his biobed. She informst Picard that he has been reassigned from the Exeter to the Federation Ambassadorial Staff on Vulcan where it would be in his best interests as a Starfleet officer to enroll in the Surak School for Offworlders and learn some control. Picard is disappointed, but his near death experience has shown him that he could use some improvement in the area of self-discipline.

McCoy and Uhura converse in a small lounge about their patient. She goes on to explain that Picard is brilliant and reckless and needs the control. McCoy comments that sending Picard to Vulcan might be a punishment worse than death. Uhura reminds McCoy of the number of times that he had to patch people together because of Kirk’s recklessness.

Uncomfortable with this topic, McCoy mentions the communique from Spock, inviting them to his wedding reception. Uhura hopes that it isn’t as eventful as Spock’s last wedding. The call for McCoy’s ship comes over the intercom, and it includes a request for Admiral McCoy to report to his gig for transport to the U.S.S. Constellation. When Uhura raises her eyebrow at “gig”, McCoy responds by explaining that the only good thing about being an admiral was that he never again had to have his molecules scrambled.

SIX MONTHS LATER
Planet Vulcan
Lt. Jean Luc Picard is sitting and attempting to meditate, rather unsuccessfully. His instructor lectures him gently on the purging of the passions. Picard is fed up and explodes, saying that purging may be no problem for Vulcans, but is a major problem for humans. The instructor stats that not only is control a major problem for Vulcans, but herself especially as she is half Romulan. We see that his instructor is Saavik.. She continues that discipline has been difficult for her over the years and that the events of the coming week are the culmination of decades of purging anger,

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>>Your movie will live or die based on fan support, but it also can't be sustained on fan support alone. You have to get friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, wives and other "plus ones" into the seats as well<<

That's pretty much exactly what I said. LOST was successful because it played its SF nature close to the vest. By the time it came out of the geek closet, people were already hooked. SG1 was really popular because it took place right here, right now, but involved travel to other planets and alien space battles. It had some not-to-be-underestimated blue-collar appeal that subsequent (And less-popular) Gates lacked. Trek hit a point where it was only relevant to itself, and lost its crossover support (Whcih was kind of a fluke anyway, but an impressive one).

As to "It's not what I expected," that's a good point. THings like the "Lost in Space" movie and "The Saint" movie go so far afield from what people knew, expected, and wanted that one wonders why they even bothered to use the names.

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>>A common misunderstanding of fen is that stories should be made "For the fans." This is not true. Genre shows succeed or fail based on crossover support with 'Danes. Stories with their heads up their own continuity alienate casual viewers, so they fail.<<

This is true, and mostly what I said. HOWEVER, you take someone who isn't a diehard comic book reader to see a Superman movie and that casual movie-goer is going to have certain expectations and their enjoyment of the movie could live or die based on those expectations. You take someone who only has a rudimentary understanding of Star Trek, they're going to expect it to be a certain way. Now, you can do something so drastically different that people who don't like Star Trek at all can say "I don't like Star Trek, but I liked that" (which is kind of what ST4 did), but most times people will be like "I thought we were going to see Star Trek. That wasn't the Star Trek I know" and they'll be disappointed, regardless of the merits of the film on a stand-alone basis. There is a fine line that franchise movies have to walk to play both to the fans AND to the casual viewer alike. Your movie will live or die based on fan support, but it also can't be sustained on fan support alone. You have to get friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, wives and other "plus ones" into the seats as well. My wife's not going to go see Superman without me, but they need to make the movie appeal to her as well once I force her into the seat.

*It should be noted that my wife is very supportive of my nerd impulses and I very rarely have to FORCE her into anything*

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>>Star Trek movies need to appeal to the casual Star Trek fan as well as the diehard Trekkie, so they have to have the feel that the casual observer expects from Star Trek.<<

A common misunderstanding of fen is that stories should be made "For the fans." This is not true. Genre shows succeed or fail based on crossover support with 'Danes. Stories with their heads up their own continuity alienate casual viewers, so they fail.

This was the mistake (Well, one of 'em) that Enterprise made. Nobody in the mundane world cared why Klingon heads changed shapes, so they watched SG1 instead, which was more exciting and fun and less preachy.

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>>"This is a good story, a very good story, but it isn't worthy of a feature film." Thank you! I'd argue that it is at least as good as other odd-numbered Trek films.... and ST:The No-Motion Picture was cobbled together from a TV script, so...<<

When I said this story wasn't "worthy" of being a feature film, I don't want you to think I was talking about quality. It could easily be a feature film, just not a Star Trek feature film. Get what I'm saying? It doesn't really follow the Trek movie formula. Star Trek movies need to appeal to the casual Star Trek fan as well as the diehard Trekkie, so they have to have the feel that the casual observer expects from Star Trek. Leonard Nimoy (I think it was Nimoy) once said that any good Star Trek story has to be first and foremost a Star Trek story. I don't think this is, which isn't necessarily a criticism.

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>>part of Saavik's anger at Spock is due to her having to be a single mother (wait, can Vulcans get angry?)<<

Actually, Saavik is half-Romulan, which could have the potential of bringing the phrase, "A woman scorned..." to a whole new level!

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Now there would be a nice in-joke: to name a character M'reesu.

I don't think entirely eliminating T'mana is a good idea, because part of Saavik's anger at Spock is due to her having to be a single mother (wait, can Vulcans get angry?). So you need a little pointy-eared rugrat running around. Since Vulcans age slower than humans, T'mana should be a mere child still, not a grad student.

If you want to go for sappy, Kor could kidnap Spock's young daughter, and Spock and Kirk go after her. A little girl in peril is a straight-for-the-heart plot device.

T'mana might even enjoy being with Kor because "he's funny"--eg. more emotional and as a Vulcaness she's never seen emotionalism before. When her father--whom she barely knows--tries to take her back, she might rebel against him, wanting to stay with "Uncle Kor." Her screams bring in the Klingon and in the fight, Kirk is killed, and Spock goes apeshit on Kor. Right in front of his child. When he has to confess what he did to Saavik, she is very angry at him--not so much for the revenge killing, "as he was a criminal, and he deserved to die, logically" but because Spock exposed their child to such a scene of emotionalism.

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@ Sheldon: Saw Atlas Shrugged II. Not as dreadful as I, and entertaining for the cameos (Patricia Tallman is in it...), but I think you'll question the wholesale recasting as much as I did. Still meandering and repetitive, but less painful.

"This is a good story, a very good story, but it isn't worthy of a feature film." Thank you! I'd argue that it is at least as good as other odd-numbered Trek films.... and ST:The No-Motion Picture was cobbled together from a TV script, so....

I thought you'd notice the submission date. Yes, I had a mole inside the Star Trek offices, so I got news early. I had to get this in while they were still in pre-script stage, preferably before anyone had a chance to pitch. And it would've worked too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids and their sehlaht.

Season 6 was airing, they had decided that they wanted to go into production on ST VII immediately after Season 7 wrapped... my opportunity window was razor-thin.

As to continuity, that all had to come out of my noggin and the handful of episodes that I had on VHS. The internet as we know it didn't really exist yet... there may've been a gopher or ftp server somewhere that had what I needed, but Archie and Veronica were not a lot of help.

So thanks for the dodge on the Nausicaans, but that's strictly my error. The incident was mentioned in "Samaritan Snare", but I couldn't remember the name of the aliens involved. Not being a big anime geek, I had heard 'Nausicaans' as "Nauticans" and thought that they were aquatic or amphibian. When the time came... I couldn't remember their names!!! When "Tapestry" first aired a couple months after I submitted this, I kicked myself.

(That may've been yet another reason that this treatment went nowhere. Instead of capitalizing on a couple of lines in a season two Next Gen episode, we were now treading over ground that was freshly plowed so to speak. )

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Hi! My name is Mary Sue McGuffin!

I agree- T'Mana looks like Mary Sue McGuffin. She isn't quite, though. Sometimes when it swims like a duck and acts like a duck, it's a little goose.

If you'll recall, though, I was under the gun big time to get this done and in. It didn't occur to me to use Saavik- and yeah, that would've made a better story. I'm tempted to rewrite it (as an exercise), and eliminate T'Mana. And fix some other things I noticed. And make it better, stronger, faster...

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>>ncidentally, didja' see the thing where Walter Koening said that "Bester" from B5 was his all-time favorite role?<<

Yeah, I didn't read that anywhere but last year when I met Walter Koenig at Wizard World Columbus I asked him that very question. He said that Trek will always hold a special place in his life, but ultimately Bester was more fun to play. He rather liked being a bad guy, and his role as Chekov really didn't require much more than being the plucky comic relief. As an actor myself (in a former life) I can't fault him for that.

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>>This coming from a diehard Babylon 5 disciple...<<

Nah, not anymore. It's been 20 years-ish. I've seen everything enough times to get bored with it. It's a great show, it's a watershed, it deserves way more props than it got, but I'm kind of done with it in much the same way that I'm done w/ Dr. Who.

Incidentally, didja' see the thing where Walter Koening said that "Bester" from B5 was his all-time favorite role? Also, Majel Barrett appeared in an important role in season III, at her own request, in order to try to get Trekies to bury the hatchet. It was her hope that they'd stop attacking and/or dismissing the show. She liked it.

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Hi Folks!

>>Funny Sheldon hasn't commented yet...is he ok?<<

I'm fine.

>>Seriously, did Sheldon get hit by a bus or something? Where is he?<<

Nope. No bus.

>>I contacted Sheldon a couple of days back, about doing a film review for Halloween, and he replied to me, but that was the last I've heard from him.

He's probably just busy in real life.<<

I HAVE been busy with real life which is, unfortunately, why I haven't written my review for Atlas Shrugged, Part 2 yet. I haven't seen it. Had plans to go last Sunday, didn't work out. And, you know, the first one was so boring I'm kinda dreading this one. I will get it up (y'know, um, POSTED) as soon as I can get to the movie.

Real life, however, had little to do with me commenting on this Trek-related post. I just missed it on my Facebook feed. So this one got past me.

This is a good story, a very good story, but it isn't worthy of a feature film. That's just my opinion. I also agree that it wasn't what they were looking for. I am, however, a bit puzzled by the date. 92? TNG wasn't even over by that point. In fact, ST6 was a fairly new movie still. I can also tell you why Paramount passed on it: the same reason they passed on Harve Bennett's Starfleet Academy treatment for ST6. They just really weren't interested in a younger, hipper Trek at that time with new actors.

Also, the aliens Picard was impaled by were Nausicans, not Mer-people. Of course, that episode was in season 7, so you wouldn't have known that yet. Great story, though. Just didn't have the ingredients for a Trek movie. A friend of mine and I have a great idea for a Star Trek anthology series, or we did before Paramount sold all of their Trek swag (thus making an anthology too expensive), and this would have been a great 2-parter for that. Just isn't movie material.

>>Nah, it's cool. Trek sucks.<<

This coming from a diehard Babylon 5 disciple...

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T'Mana

>>4)The problem with a treatment like this (and a first draft script...) is that you try to get certain beats and gags in so that the person reading it has a feel for what you are trying to do, but in a very compressed format. The flashbacks need room to breathe- obviously... but in a treatment, everything is tightened. The story is missing a current day subplot- (maybe the return of T'Mana?)-one that it needs to space out and reinforce the flashbacks.<<

Ok, the problem with T'Mana is that she's a MacGuffin pretending to be a character. You can't 'resolve her story arc' because she doesn't have one. Basically the only way it works as-written is if she's deliberately being set up to be an important character in subsequent stories. Otherwise, she reads like a Mary Sue. She's *not* a Mary Sue, but she reads like one.

Now, what *I'D* do is I'd ditch her entirely. I'd put someone we already know in there. Saavik, for instance, who doesn't really have much to do in this story. Saavik is pissed at Spock for knocking her up, and decides to explore her Romulan heritage at some point between ST IV and Citizen Kirk. When the Romulan Civil War comes along, *KIRK* decides to use the diplomatic mission as an excuse to rescue or abduct Saavik because (A) that's a very Kirk thing to do and (B) Honestly, Kirk is somewhat inert in the story as told. It's a story that involves Kirk, it's not a story ABOUT Kirk. If you're going to kill him, it needs to be ABOUT him. (This is a problem that Generations had as well). Spock goes along with this because, hey, they're bulletproof, right?

Then it plays out like you've got it with Kor manipulating events and killing Kirk and Spock going crazy-eight-bonkers and killing everyone.

See how that tightens stuff up?

"Ah, but what about the wedding and Saavik's forgiveness and all that?" you ask. Well, you could still have Saavik gradually getting over being pissed at Spock for not wanting to make an honest woman out of her. OR (What I'd do) Spock has been in seclusion since his murderous rage for decades, and he's only just now resuming public life. The wedding is the public face of that, but Saavik has been helping him to cope for decades.

Another way to do it is to have Saavik announce the kids to Spock, then have Kor kidnap Saavik before Spock can do anything about it. Then, decades later, Kor waggles her in front of the camera, knowing it's bait Kirk won't be able to resist.

In fact, Kor kidnapping her could have been an official Klingon espionage thing, pre-Khitomer. After the peace, they probably wouldn't have been too quick to admit to various black ops, so Saavik lingered on in a gulag somewhere until Kor got the idea to use her.

>>L6) In retrospect, this story had a snowball's chance in reentry of getting made. One of my problems is I will occasionally give someone exactly what they've asked for KNOWING that it's not what they really want, in the vain hope that they will see things my way. Annoying habit in a prostit...er... screenwriter.<<

Well, honestly, Paramount didn't know what they wanted, either. Either on this movie, or in the larger franchise sense. Generations is universally agreed to be the point where things began to go disastrously wrong.

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I haven't even considered turning this into a book- it relies on (to a fault) 'Citizen Kane' techniques that are laborious in print.

That, and I've been squished twice by Paramount, don't feel like a third time.... :)

(I'd have to submit it through whoever is managing the Star Trek print licenses-- and if you think that fans are bad about continuity, the book people are insistent that the "seatbacks be pushed forward and the tray tables are locked in the upright position" at the end of each one. )

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I contacted Sheldon a couple of days back, about doing a film review for Halloween, and he replied to me, but that was the last I've heard from him.

He's probably just busy in real life.

It happens, you know. ;)

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Have you considered turning this into a book, R2? I guess that would present copyright issues and Paramount would squash it like a bug.

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DS9 is next

Heh. Just you wait. I found a script (full script!) that I submitted to the DS9 producers....

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A lot of the difficulties you folks raise are things that I'm acutely aware of. :)

1)(The biggie)T'Mana. She's important as a catalyst, not so much as a character. If I were writing the script for this today, there would be scenes on Romulus that would make her less of a cypher. (Something along the lines of her talking to some Romulans in the street- hearing the Romulan version of the Vulcan-Romulan split... things that would obviously start shaking her faith in the whole Vulcan 'logical' worldview. Then her character arc would start to make sense. I'm still not sure how to resolve it completely, though.

2) Kor. Somehow, that loose cannon needs to be put on the mantelpiece early. A fairly easy fix at script time.

3)In some ways, this story hangs on previous continuity like a dot-to-dot puzzle. I had a set of hints and one-off lines from Next Gen, the movies and TOS that implied an event. I just had to create that event. I then had to make that event life-changingly significant to a character who (by all rights) shouldn't have been there.

4)The problem with a treatment like this (and a first draft script...) is that you try to get certain beats and gags in so that the person reading it has a feel for what you are trying to do, but in a very compressed format. The flashbacks need room to breathe- obviously... but in a treatment, everything is tightened. The story is missing a current day subplot- (maybe the return of T'Mana?)-one that it needs to space out and reinforce the flashbacks.

I'm open to suggestions on that one.

5)I have pronoun referent issues :)

6) In retrospect, this story had a snowball's chance in reentry of getting made. One of my problems is I will occasionally give someone exactly what they've asked for KNOWING that it's not what they really want, in the vain hope that they will see things my way. Annoying habit in a prostit...er... screenwriter.

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It's cool.

>>I'm afraid I've never been that big of a Trek fan, so I'll have to apologise for my knowledge of the series being so rusty. <<

Nah, it's cool. Trek sucks.

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I'm afraid I've never been that big of a Trek fan, so I'll have to apologise for my knowledge of the series being so rusty. A friend of mine who IS a Trek fan corrected some of my mistakes when I happened to mention R2's script.

However, going strictly on what R2 came up with, my overall impression still stands as stated--I've just had a few of the plot discrepencies cleared up. In fact, the plot makes better sense now that I've been set straight on stuff I either forgot, or skipped seeing to begin with.

And I agree with Kevin's Point #3--this was more of a story-told-to-Picard than what Paramount had in mind.

Still, it's pretty cool that R2 got the script treatment as far as he did. 5#!7, if this had happened to me, I still wouldn't be able to keep my buttons attached to my shirts!

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Oh yeah, I remember # 3 now...

3) It's not really the 'passing the torch' film Paramount wanted, as it only features ONE TNG character, and that would have been played by a different actor.

Honestly, I think that's the biggest strike against it. The story is basically good. (WAY better than Walter Koening's treatment, "In Flander's Fields"), but it didn't show the crews working shoulder-to-shoulder the way Paramount wanted.

And frankly neither did the utterly pooptacular "Generations," but that one did come closer.

Funny Sheldon hasn't commented yet...is he ok?

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>>The year was 1992; rumors were running rampant as to what the next Star Trek film would be. Next Generation was drawing to a close, Deep Space 9 was ramping up...<<

Uhm...I'm not sure how DS9 could be ramping up as it had already been on the air for 2 years, and was increasingly regarded by Paramount as a disappointment. Hence the mad rush to get "Voyager" on the air ASAP. They'd already more-or-less concluded that Trek couldn't survive as a franchise unless it was ship-based.

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Let me see if I can field some of those questions for R2

>>From a film-making standpoint, I see that there would have been far too much material for a single film to manage.<<

I disagree. Earlier drafts of this (Which I was privy to at the time) had several subplots and things that *would* make it way too long, but R2 trimmed those out eventually, and the way he's telling the story - a frame setting up flashbacks - allows you to compact a LOT of information without the need for transitions a more linear film would need. There's a reason the joking working title was "Citizen Kirk." (As opposed to "Citizen Kane")

>>The flashback sequences would have required some really tricky make-up jobs on the TOS actors to acheive.<<<

Not really. Remember, this movie would have taken place *AFTER* Star Trek VII, so the characters would have been older. Since the frame story takes place a generation after the fact, the TOS cast would look their real ages in the flashbacks. All you'd really need was old age makeup for the non-flashback stuff in the frame.

>>Picard would have to have been played by a different actor as well. One with hair, maybe.<<

Yup. He was played by a different actor in the TNG episode where he initially had his heart stabbed out. Piccard was 22 or 23 at the time, IIRC.

>>The extensive use of flashbacks are OK in a TV series, but not so good in a theatrical release.<<

Citizen Kane. Voted "Best Film Ever Made" by the London Film Institute for sixty years running.

>>I have a hard time thinking of Picard as ever having been reckless, but the idea of him learning his restraint from Vulcans makes a lot of sense.<<

They said he was a rakehell early on in the show. The Vulcan Restraint thing is actually an invention of R2, and it's really clever, I agree.

>>>I also see that your decision to have Kirk die, and Spock lose his temper to the point of murder, would have gone against Trek canon.<<<

Screw Trek Canon. You know what we call episodes that strictly adhere to the Trek rules? We call them "Bad episodes." Also, remember: This was written 20-something years ago BEFORE a lot of stuff you're thinking of as Trek Canon existed. I mean, there were - and are - people that bitch and moan about how Checkov wasn't on the Enterprise yet when Khan came on board, therefore blah blah blah. It's trivia. Seeing a beloved character snap would have been an amazing moment, and frankly is the only major thing left the character could do that hasnt' already been done a zillion times.

>>Plus I'm sure Bill Shatner would have vetoed it.<<

Yeah, because falling off a bridge was so much better. Since when does the actor get a vote, anyway? "Yo, Bill, do this." "Do I get money?" "Boatloads of it! And hookers!" "Pretty hookers? Like non-Canadian ones?" "Hell yeah!" "Well then I'm in!"

>>I'm afraid I'm not clear on how Spock could have participated in pon-farr without his soul. I must have missed that episode.<<

Pon Farr is sex. In STIII the resurrected Spock ages about 50 years in a day. That's about 7 Pon Farr cycles, and we actually see Saavik II (Gezundheit) kinda' making out with him (In Vulcan fashion) to ease the 14-year-old-spock through it.

In fact, the original draft of ST IV had a subplot involving a VERY pregnant Saavik II (Gezundheit) staying behind on Vulcan. Likewise, an early draft of ST VI starred Saavik, rather than "Valeris" and had an offhand mention of her and Spock having had kids, who were back on Vulcan.

>>You also did not specify who was Spock's second wife, and what "excitement" happened at the first wedding--or maybe I missed that. Was that when they had to go settle the dispute between the Romulans and the Remulans?<<

I agree that was needlessly distracting. Spock's first wife was in "Amok Time," back in TOS. T'Pring, I think. Spock's 2nd wife - the one he marries in this story - is Saavik. Makes an honest woman of her.

My OWN big beefs with the story:

1) For being such a pivotal character, T'Mana is a great big hunk a' non-entity. Everything revolves around her, but she just walks off at the end with no resolution.

2) The flashbacks need to be spaced out more to give them more impact.

3) Something else, which I can't think of right now.

(Incidentally, Picard did mention on TNG that he'd only met Spock once, briefly at his wedding)

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Very creative, R2.

From a film-making standpoint, I see that there would have been far too much material for a single film to manage. The flashback sequences would have required some really tricky make-up jobs on the TOS actors to acheive. Picard would have to have been played by a different actor as well. One with hair, maybe. Funny to think that they could easily create starships and planets, but making a bunch of middle-aged actors look younger would have been a major roadblock. The extensive use of flashbacks are OK in a TV series, but not so good in a theatrical release.

That said: the plot is quite intricate but it stands up thematically because of that intricacy. I have a hard time thinking of Picard as ever having been reckless, but the idea of him learning his restraint from Vulcans makes a lot of sense.

I also see that your decision to have Kirk die, and Spock lose his temper to the point of murder, would have gone against Trek canon. Plus I'm sure Bill Shatner would have vetoed it.

I'm afraid I'm not clear on how Spock could have participated in pon-farr without his soul. I must have missed that episode.

The duplication of the injury to Picard and then to Kirk, with Picard surviving but Kirk dying, seems a little forced to me. I realize why you did it (to reinforce the Kirkiness of Picard) but I feel that there's something dissonant to the scenes. I'm not sure what. There's a certain sense of unreality that I'm having trouble buying. Maybe it's just that I never really saw much similarity between Kirk and Picard, that the attempt to compare them just doesn't work for me.

Kirk was initially imagined as "a stack of books with legs," a model student. Only later did his character become more of a devil-may-care guy, and of course the reboot has him starting off as a James Dean misdirected teenager. I wish for once we'd get a nice, nerdy hero, and they'd just leave him alone!

You also did not specify who was Spock's second wife, and what "excitement" happened at the first wedding--or maybe I missed that. Was that when they had to go settle the dispute between the Romulans and the Remulans?

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Yeah, there are several characters that need to be re-introduced and developed. I don't think that it's TOO opaque, but there's definitely work to be done on that front.

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Good story but

Wow you really have to be a Trekkie to understand who half the characters are and their significance. That said it was a good story that was true to the franchise. The problem is it's not really a stand alone story.

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Please comment on this- the project has been dead, dead, dead for 20 years now- you aren't going to hurt my feelings. A lot of the time while transcribing this, I was cringing. Most of the issues would've been worked out in script stage, had it gotten that far.

Is this better than what we ended up getting as Star Trek VII? Was it too much 'inside baseball'-- too heavy on the fanservice and continuity porn?

Let me know!

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