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MOVIE REVIEW: 2016: Obama's America

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DISCLAIMER: We don't delve into blatant politics a lot here on The Bot. It isn't what we're about. We are, first and foremost, a science fiction fansite, and that's how we like it. We are, however, a politically-minded science fiction fansite. We don't get into politics often, but we do from time to time and this is one of those times. Usually when we do delve into political stuff, it's politics as it pertains to science fiction. This has nothing to do with science fiction, 2016: Obama's America is a purely political documentary.

2016: Obama's America was written, produced and directed by Dinesh D'souza, the president of The King's College in New York. Mr. D'Souza is a well known political commentator who has written several books on the subject of Barack Obama and his mysterious past, which has been blatantly swept under the rug by almost everyone in the mainstream media. The movie is primarily based on the same research Mr. D'Souza used in writing his book The Roots of Obama's Rage.

The main thesis of the film is that Barack Obama's behavior in the White House can be traced back to his father's own Anti-Colonialist ideology. For those who don't know, Anti-Colonialism, also called Anti-Imperialism, is a political ideology held by third-world countries who have once been part of larger empires, most notably the British. Basically, it is the ideological belief that wealthy nations are only wealthy because they raped the natural resources of the poorer countries, which they had once conquered, and then left those countries with no viable resources to exploit for themselves. Does any of this sound familiar? The rich can only get rich on the backs of the poor.

During the film, Dinesh D'Souza interviews many of the people who knew Barack Obama, Sr. best. People who supported the elder Obama's Anti-Colonialist views, and those who didn't. They all agreed on two things: 1.) Barack Obama, Sr. was unashamedly an Anti-Colonialist and 2.) Barack Obama, Jr. has shown every sign of carrying on that legacy, handed down to him by his estranged father through his mother, who herself was very Anti-American. So Anti-American, in fact, that she sent Barack, Jr. off to live with his grandparents to get him away from the influence of his very Pro-American step-father.

Anti-Colonialism is not a national ideology, it's a global ideology. When Obama talks about the 1% vs the 99%, he isn't talking about here in America. He's talking globally. Basically, to Obama, the poorest of Americans are part of the 1%. I'll say that again, because it might be vaguely important. THE POOREST OF AMERICANS ARE PART OF THE 1% in Obama's worldview. This is why he refuses drilling permits to American oil companies, but grants them to Mexico and Colombia and Brazil. And not only does he grant foreign permits to these countries to drill off our shores, he's subsidizing these foreign programs with tax-payer dollars. We are paying these countries to take our oil that we aren't allowed to use. When one takes Anti-Colonialism into account, Obama's behavior makes perfect sense. He is taking back all of what he considers to be ill-gotten wealth that America has taken from these other countries. This was why he sent back the bust of Winston Churchill that had been given to us as a gift from Great Britain. Churchill was a colonialist. To Obama, he was the devil himself.

I'm not going to get into here about the film being "right-wing propoganda" or "one-sided". The claim of propoganda is flat-out preposterous. Mr. D'Souza has obviously done his research and supports his claims with many facts, and with interviews of people who knew Barack Obama in his formative years. In fact, most of his points are reinforced by President Obama's own words, using passages from Obama's own book, Dreams from my Father. This film is far more than mere propoganda. I will, however, stipulate to it being one-sided. Mr. D'Souza is making an argument. He has a theory and he supports this theory with facts. If his facts are faulty, if there is an argument to be made against Obama having an Anti-Colonialist mentality, then by all means do your own research and make an intelligent argument refuting the claims made in this film. See the movie. If you disagree, then offer up some evidence to support your disagreement. Don't just say it's "fear mongering" or "hate speech" or "propoganda". It isn't any of those things. It's a well thought out argument on the subject. If it leaves you with some questions, great. Look into it and get the answers to your questions. But don't just dismiss it as hogwash, because it certainly isn't that and doing that will only allow Obama to succeed in "fundamentally changing" our beloved nation.

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I stand corrected.

I stand corrected.

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Let me try to explain this again. These are NOT my arguments. They are Dinesh D'Souza's arguments. I enjoyed this film. I endorsed this film. To me, the film answered many questions I had about why Obama would do certain things. Like why would he deny American oil companies permits to drill off the Gulf of Mexico, on the pretext of environmental protection, but then endorse, with tax payer dollars, the Mexican, Colombian and Brazilian nations to drill off those same coasts. I don't have to prove Mr. D'Souza's arguments. He does a good job of doing that himself.

ALSO, I say that Dinesh D'Souza has a THEORY. I never, nor does the film, present this argument as a fact. It's a theory, and the theory is backed up with facts. Good facts, as well. But without knowing Obama's heart, it remains a theory and no one said it wasn't. It's an opinion piece, but a well-educated opinion. This was not Dinesh D'Souza saying "I have heard from a reliable source that President Obama is an Anti-Colonialist America-Hater" and then leave it at that without revealing his source or supplying any evidence to back it up. So to compare this to failed efforts by the left to paint Romney as a tax felon or as someone who gave some woman cancer is just wrong and unfair.

My call to dissenters of this film's thesis to offer evidence in their disagreements was nothing more than an effort to quash in advance anyone who would come here and say "This movie is racist" or "This movie is one-sided" or "This movie is a pack of lies". Read some of the liberal reviews of this movie, that's all they say. They offer no evidence to refute the evidence laid out in the film. You're talking about having a rational, logical discussion, well, that's all I was after in asking dissenters to present evidence as to why the movie is wrong. Otherwise you get into a "is not/is so" argument, and we're getting enough of that schoolyard sandbox crap with the candidates and their campaigns.

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I tried to make my case

but my efforts seem to have fallen short.

I pointed to SheldonCooper's own words - not taken out of context, I believe - endorsing the POV of this film.

Evidently, it's not enough.

I don't have any more to add.

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It's a review, not advocacy

I'm afraid that I don't buy that, 10000li. The function of a review is to summarize and offer an opinion on the execution of the various portions of a production. If Sheldon agrees with the premise, he can say that- he doesn't necessarily need to provide independent research to back that opinion, as the central argument is not his. He is fulfilling his position when he says that the argument is compelling and that he feels like D'Souza did a good job in presenting it and he found himself buying into it.

That's legitimate, and that's as far as he needs to go.

Tangentially, I understand that the basic device of the movie is taking Obama's own writings and providing background interviews. Granted, this is a potentially hazardous path to take, and it would be up to the viewer to decide if he radically recontextualizes Obama's books; however that's something for D'Souza to justify... not an unpaid reviewer.

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Then it's purely an emotional argument

Sorry, SheldonCooper, that's not the way rational discussion works. You can't just say, "D'Souza said, it and I believe it, so you have to prove it wrong."

A rational argument not only provides evidence for the evidence, it provides a logical path from the evidence to the conclusion.

Starting with the conclusion and then collecting and presenting only those facts that support the already chosen conclusion is a logical fallacy.

In the example of Obama not continuing to accept the loan of the bust of Churchill, the connection between Churchill and Obama's ancestor is not the only possible reason. Another could be that since the bust was lent in reaction to 9/11, Obama thought it was time to move on. The Ground Zero monument is a pretty good reminder of 9/11, better than a bust of Churchill. Maybe Obama thought it reminded him too much of GWB, since it was lent to the previous President, not explicitly to Obama. Maybe he was redecorating and wanted something else in that spot. Unless someone can read Obama's mind, or provide evidence that Obama explicitly stated why he chose they way he did, any discussion about his motivation with respect to the bust of Churchill is pure speculation.

In another recent example, the Obama campaign has made certain claims about Romney's actions while working at Bain Capital. The Romney campaign countered those claims by saying that Romney was not in a decision-making role in the company at the time in question. It's up to the Obama campaign to prove that Romney was in a position to know about and to act on the mergers that led directly to the lay-offs, since they are the ones who made the claim in the first place. They haven't done so, and the idea seems to have been dropped.

They made the claim so the burden of proof was on them.

Again, this is a basic rule of logical argument.

If you want to endorse D'Souza's claims, then the burden of proof is on you.

Anything else is pure emotionalism.

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Wrong

What I was challenging Liberal readers to do was not just do what liberals are often want to do, which is just brush off what they don't agree with and say "well, that's a pack of racist, anti-femenine lies" and then refuse to tell you why an argument is a pack of racist anti-femenine lies. So yeah, I don't have to prove why I agree with the argument. It's up to liberals to refute the argument. That's how it works. Dinesh D'Souza defending his points and backed them up. He shouldn't have to, nor should I, jump through a bunch of liberal hoops to find evidence for evidence of evidence. No, if you take issue with the argument than you show some evidence that D'Souza is wrong.

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Mistaken Impression?

R2:

I was relying on this quote from SheldonCoper's OP:

"It's a well thought out argument on the subject. If it leaves you with some questions, great. Look into it and get the answers to your questions. But don't just dismiss it as hogwash, because it certainly isn't that and doing that will only allow Obama to succeed in 'fundamentally changing' our beloved nation."

The above is SC's opinion of the value of the movie, and a call to action from him to us to not take the movie lightly or dismiss it, lest Obama succeed in "fundamentally changing" America.

Based entirely on SheldonCooper's comments about Obama here on the 'bot, I get the impression that SC considers Obama to be the worst president ever, and Obama's policies are a threat to the American way of life. Consequently, this film expresses a POV that fits in with what I surmise that SheldonCooper already believes.

Hence, SC's OP is not just an review, but an endorsement of D'Souza's opinions about Obama as expressed in the film.

Therefore, the burden of proof does fall on SC to do exactly what he calls upon us to do, which is deal with the facts and not just express unfounded opinions. There is no reason for us to do the legwork to dismantle the arguments in the D'Souza film until such time as *anyone* who endorses the film (not just SC) has provided the background showing that D'Souza isn't just quote-mining and taking situations out of context.

This film is presented as a factual interpretation of Obama's motivations and intentions. The bar of a review is set much higher for this kind of film than for a fiction film where the reviewer is expressing an opinion of why they liked or disliked a film, or even, as in a recent SF movie to hit the theaters, whether or not a particular scene should be interpreted as commentary on women's health-care issues.*
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Has objective reasoning been totally abandoned? Or do people just use it when it suits them, then trot out the emotional arguments for the rest of their dealings?

For example, we have the fact that Obama declined to continue the loan of the bust of Churchill. What Obama's motivations were for this action are unknown to anyone but Obama and those in whom he chose to confide. However, that has not stopped some people from speculating. Their chain of reasoning goes like this:

* Obama's ancestor was killed fighting British oppressors.

* Churchill was in charge of something relating to that oppression.

* Obama hates Churchill, so he didn't want to keep the bust.

* Churchill was a British hero, so anyone who hates Churchill hates England.

* England is our ally, so anyone who hates England hates America.

Ergo: Obama hates America.

(This kind of "logic" is not limited to the right. Here is another example:

* Ron Paul voted "no" on some congressional medal for a woman.

* That woman was black.

Ergo: Ron Paul is racist.)

There is a basic idea believed by some people on the right. The idea is that Obama hates America. All the arguments they make about his policies are attempts to prove the conclusion that they already believe is true: Obama hates America.

Whenever you see any argument that ends in that conclusion, you know that the conclusion was decided upon first, and the argument was built backwards from it, via selective presentation and interpretation of the facts.

I, personally, find Obama to be just as devoid of worthwhile policies as I do any other Democrat or Republican. But I don't see that he hates America any more than the rest of the people inside the beltway.

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Race is an integral part of the discussion about colonialism, anti-colonialism, and anti-anti-colonialism. And race is an integral part of the Obama presidency, no matter how much the right-wing tries to deny it.

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*Two points if you know which scene in which film I am referring to.

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Global rights

>>Obama himself doesn't portray himself as 'right of center'. Any claim otherwise is sort of, well, wrong.<<

The review specifically targets "global ideologies" and "global redistribution," though, so his global policies can only be fairly situated on a global scale. When doing so, however, it's quite clear that Obama is not only right-of-center, but he's pretty darn hardcore right ;-)

Without having thought it through too carefully (so I may be missing some), I'd venture to say that there are probably very few mainstream right-wing politicians in the non-US world who are more to the right than Obama.

He's comfortably to the right of the right-wing coalition in the UK, and WAY to the right of the right-wing ex-French president Sarkozy (who in their sublime ignorance French voters were concerned was leaning toward the "extreme right").

The French *right* is comfortably to the left of the UK left, and the UK *right* is comfortably to the left of the US left. Make of that what you will :-) The world is a funny place.

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I like that! Very much!!

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First: Thanks Sheldon for reviewing this for us...
Second: 1x10^4li, I don't think that Sheldon is representing his views in this (although it's clear that D'Souza's arguments hit their mark with him), but trying to give a rundown of his arguments.

That said, nowhere in his review is there any race-baiting. D'Souza himself is "brown"- from what I understand, the argument is more about global wealth distribution than 'Whitey oppressed me!'

The question is: Did D'Souza prove his arguments? Without seeing the movie, I wouldn't presume to know. But putting the burden of proof on the reviewer is a little harsh, don't you think?

(Oh, and BTW, Obama himself doesn't portray himself as 'right of center'. Any claim otherwise is sort of, well, wrong.)

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SheldonCooper:

With your passage above, you've made it clear that you already believe what D'Souza claims is true, so what is the point in discussing it?

You ask us to do the research, but you seem to have swallowed the entire argument hook, line and sinker, without doing fact-checking of your own.

So the challenge is back to you:

Before you endorse this film, YOU need to be the one to provide the proper research that not only are all the facts cited in the film correct, but that they have not been taken out of context, and the collection of these specific, limited number of facts in this particular arrangement provides an accurate picture of what is inside Obama's mind and predicts his future actions.

The basic premise of this film is that Obama intends to redistribute the wealth of (white) Americans to poor (brown) people in the developing world.

This is an extraordinary claim.

A basic rule of reasonable discussion is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

One film is not extraordinary evidence.

It is unfair of you to expect others to provide proof that Obama is anything other than what he appears to be - A mainstream (which means right of center) Democrat - when you have not provided sufficient proof that he is what you claim - An uber-liberal intent on destroying America.

To use a sports analogy: Your serve hasn’t even gone over the net, so you can’t expect us to run over to your side to pick up the ball and hit it back to you.

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Anti-Colonialism

>>apparently you might have a misconstrued definition of Anti-Imperialism.

"Anti-imperialism includes opposition to wars of conquest, particularly of non-contiguous territory or people with a different language or culture"

this is not a bad thing.<<

I have misconstrued nothing. Anti-Colonialism is not an inherently evil ideology, any more than being anti-slavery or anti-oppression would be inherently evil. The evil comes when people think they have the right to visit the sins of the fathers (imperials or slave masters or whatever) on the sons. It is like the government writing legislation one day that says that every single caucasion person must turn over, let's say, half of their assets to the government for redistribution to the black community as reparations for slavery. Slavery has been gone in this country for 150 years. That's six generations. That means your Great-Great-Great-Grandparents were alive when slavery was abolished. It's insane on the face of it. Likewise, it is insane for Obama to try and redistribute the wealth of America to countries like Brazil or Colombia or Mexico, which, by the way, were never American colonies. They were Spanish colonies. And yet, Obama feels we owe them.

It is wrong. It's wrong for Obama to take what this country has built and give it as a handout to other countries. America spends billions of dollars a year on foreign aid. We send food to Somalia and other poor countries. We give them money and scores of other benefits, freely out of the kindness of our hearts. Anything our forefathers may have been guilty of, we make reparations, not because we have to but because we can and we're a generous nation. The same can be said for the UK. The wealthy countries give to the poor countries. But that isn't enough for Anti-Colonialists like Obama. They want us to give it all. That's not fair, and it isn't going to happen.

Also, there is a good interview in the film with George Obama. He feels quite differently than Barack, which is probably why President Obama has ignored the fact that, while he's out there telling the people of America that we are to be our brothers' keepers, his own biological brother is living on less than $12 a year. George Obama points out that Kenya, which is not an industrialized nation, has screwed themselves by overthrowing the British too soon. Before they could bring industy to Kenya. He makes examples of other third-world nations that were behind Kenya developmentally before Kenya overthrew the British, and are now lightyears more advanced than Kenya. It could be argued that colonization has benefits as well as pitfalls, and George Obama believes that Kenya shot itself in the foot by rising up before they could benefit from British rule. I'm not making that argument, just saying that the argument is viable.

So, no, I have not misconstrued anything. President Obama's ideology, handed down to him by his father through his mother, is a perverted form of Anti-Colonialism.

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apparently you might have a

apparently you might have a misconstrued definition of Anti-Imperialism.

"Anti-imperialism includes opposition to wars of conquest, particularly of non-contiguous territory or people with a different language or culture"

this is not a bad thing.

Colonialism is what gave rise in part to WWII being a global war.

Germany's expansion, Japan's Expansions, even into Africa.

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Anti-colonialist colonists

You mention the point is made that Barack Obama's dad was an anti-colonialist. That would make sense, seeing as how colonialism was still around in his time. Probably every African (except for maybe a few who were good with the European masters) was an anti-colonialist, like you'd expect most Indians or Indochinese, etc, to have been.

In the same way, probably most "Americans" in 1776 were anti-colonialists. Even French were against being colonized by Germany during WW2, and Eastern Europeans resented the fact they were under the Soviet Union after that. There's nothing unusual or particularly suspicious about being against something bad or unjust that's happening to you or your people.

Now, as far as what the current Obama is up to is possibly another matter, and I don't have anything to say about that, since I haven't seen the documentary. It just seemed odd to accuse *his dad* of being an anti-colonialist when he'd lived through colonialism. It's like accusing a slave of being anti-slavery.

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