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INTERVIEW: Larry Niven

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Today we’re interviewing science fiction author Larry Niven. Mister Niven has been cranking out the tales since his first short story was published in 1964. Since then, he’s won Ditmar, Hugo, Locus and Nebula awards, as well as becoming more-or-less the grand master of mega structure-based SF, such as the Ringworld series and the current Fleet of Worlds series. Without question, the author to have had more influence over my own tastes and talents than anyone apart from Philip K. Dick. I’m an unabashed fan. Mister Niven, thank you very much for agreeing to talk to us today.

NIVEN:
No sweat. Electronic interviews are a lot easier than writing.

REPUBLIBOT 3.0:
You invented the Kzin back in 1966. They’re arguably the most archetypical uber-sexists in the history of speculative fiction. They are fierce meat-eating predators, they all act like alpha males, the females of their species are non-sapient sex kittens, and their government is--by definition--an Old Boys’ Club that they have the temerity to openly call “The Patriarchy.” They’re just as bold as brass about that, too. Something I’ve wondered about for years: Were the Kzin intended as a parody of the Radical Feminist view of men? If so, it’s a really sly dig because nobody seems to notice it until I point it out to them.

NIVEN:
The Kzinti evolved over many years. I started with a story that needed a villain. I used them in several subsequent stories, and they took on detail. By now there are a dozen volumes of THE MAN-KZIN WARS, stories mostly written by folk other than me, and four RINGWORLD volumes. Some of what has become of the Kzinti has surprised me.

But I did definitely intend to see what would happen to a sapient race with only one functional gender. Yes, it was all deliberate. If I’d chosen a sapient female instead, Ghod knows what the feminists would have done to me.

REPUBLIBOT 3.0:
As long as we’re talking about sex: There’s a hell of a lot of it in your Known Space stories. When I first read these as a teen, I didn’t think about it twice because free love is kind of a staple of SF, and has been since HG Wells. I just skimmed over whatever offendeth my virgin eyes at the time, no biggie. In the last couple years, I’ve come across some fans who’ve argued fairly convincingly that the 24/7 orgies were actually a political statement. They say that earth was basically a dystopia, and that the government was keeping people in check with bread and circuses. Was this what you had in mind at the time, or just something people have kind of read into it as morals have drifted over the decades?

NIVEN:
The Pill was new. Panels argued at conventions: was this new freedom a major change in human nature? I assumed failsafe birth control and victory over disease. Sexual freedom would be pretty much a given. You see a lot of heterosexual activity in my futures because homosexuals, given perfect freedom, don’t breed (enough for replacement.)

I tend to write flawed utopias, or futures as a work in progress.
But also, you don’t know a character until you know his/her sexual proclivities.

REPUBLIBOT 3.0:
Expanding from tht idea, an inherent assumption of your work is that Technology Changes Morality. This seems self-evident to me, and is really fascinating, yet no one really touches on it much excepting yourself and John Varley on a less overt level. I’ve used your arguments on Republibot a few times, and generally been shouted down, so I guess it’s kind of a hard idea for some to really accept.

NIVEN:
Yes! Technology alters morality! What you and your neighbor/enemy can do changes what how you must respond.

REPUBLIBOT 3.0:
Why do you think it is that some people seem so opposed to the concept?

NIVEN:
It’s not a pleasant idea for anyone who teaches. Teachers would rather see absolutes in morality. But—example. Was it moral to fight total war against the Axis in WW2? Sure. You’re rescuing whole subcultures from extinction. And in the Cold War, when the weapons could have wiped out humanity? Then, no.

Another example. Hitler and Stalin murdered around 18,000,000 each. (Not counting war, and the numbers are arguable.) Now is assassination moral? But those numbers would be impossible without 20th century levels of organization and communication.

Another: condoms and

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Whitman II: Armed and Fabulous

Well, I was reading the Whitman books in the late 70s in Jr. High, and I was reading 'em on my own, not assigned stuff. But, yeah, I think in general reading standards were pretty crappy. They made us read Shakespeare, and we all complained (including me), but I can't remember anything more complicated than that. Some kids had to read Don Quixote (not me), and some others had to read "The Once And Future King" (Again, not me). Mostly it was pretty weak.

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The changing reading standard

Wow they must have really lowered reading standards in the 80's because when I was in 6th grade they made us read 'Crime and Punishment'. This was in a Rochester New York public school my Catholic School days ended the year before.

Now it might have been the teacher because in the late 60's they let them experiment a lot. (In Rochester at lest)

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Whitman

I used to have a bunch of Whitman books, including the first-ever Trek novel. I still have my "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" one. I've sort of been driving myself nuts trying to find some of the kids anthologies like yours that I read in school. I was 12-ish so they were right on my level, even if they were 30 years old already.

There was a great one about a Martian who comes to earth, and rebuilds human civilization, which had collapsed in a war...another series of short stories that followed some kids and thier family further and further from earth, another with a martian animal named "Yank" because he had red, white, and blue fur...

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Everything I learned about science I learned from hard SF.

Not really! but SF is what led me to real science.

At my dad's house last month I found the first SF anthology book I had read as a kid - around age 12:

"Way Out" edited by Roger Elwood and published by Whitman - the same folks who would make little chapter books of your favorite kids comix characters of the day.

Here's the TOC:

Interior artwork by Dan Spiegle.

11 • Introduction (Science Fiction Adventures from Way Out) • essay by Roger Elwood
15 • The Lights of Mars • novelette by Raymond F. Jones
52 • The Face of the Enemy • novelette by Gail Kimberly
91 • Buck and the Gents from Space • novelette by Mack Reynolds
122 • A Matter of Choice • shortstory by B. J. Lytle
135 • Teddi • novelette by Andre Norton
166 • It's So Wonderful Here • shortstory by Bill Pronzini
176 • The Little Monster • novelette by Poul Anderson
207 • The Truth of It • shortstory by Barry N. Malzberg.

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style

I liked Asimov's nonfiction books, and I agree his style worked really well in those. I also liked his introductions to the writing of others ("The Road to Science Fiction" was a perennial). I just don't think it translates well into actual fiction. In other words, I think he was a very good technical writer, very educational, very imaginative for his time, a good scenarist, but I don't think he was much of a storyteller.

I rank him waaaaaaay above Clarke, however, in that Asimov recognized you needed to tell a story, which is something Clarke was never quite able to get through his skull. I feel Clarke lacked any kind of literary style as well.

I rank Heinlein above the both of 'em by a wide margin, since he told stories, and had actual characters in them, rather than just ciphers. That said, I've been re-reading a lot of Heinlein lately (First time in 20 years), and there's a lot of groanable stuff in there.

This is perhaps as it should be. The first generation of SF probably would have mystified everyone if it hadn't been a bit dry, since the basic concept was so new. The second generation probably would have lost everyone if they hadn't juiced it up a bit, since the basic concept was now so commonplace.

I like hard SF a lot, but I tended towards Bradbury and PKDick and Padgett, who weren't hard SF at all, but they really could write, and they were clearly having so much fun with it.

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I think I liked Asimov's

I think I liked Asimov's stuff when I was younger because I understood what he was going for. People have bemoaned his lack of literary style, but this is reading him wrong: his 'style' was to strive for clarity in all things. The task he set himself was to find a way to pique the audience's curiosity without losing them entirely in a morass of mystification. There's a significant difference between tantalizing your reader and just confusing them.

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Heinlein, Clark and Asimov

Clark as a must read because my 8 year old self saw him on TV with Walter Cronkite during the Moon missions. Once My teachers saw me reading Clark they guided me to Heinlein and Asimov which is what they read when they were kids.

Larry Niven I discovered in the sci-fi magazines in the 70's.

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Yeah, me too

Yeah, me too, I think. Who's your 'big three?' Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein? Actually, I think I discovered him immediately after Heinlein. I knew of Clarke and Asimov, but found them boring as a nun teaching math, and tended to avoid 'em.

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Known Space

Niven was one of the first sci-fi authors after the big three I discovered when I was a teen and I have always enjoyed his work.

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