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I believe in God.

This isn’t a religious site, and I’m not trying to foist my faith off on anyone. If you don’t believe, or believe differently, that’s between you and Whomever it is you do or do not believe in; it’s not worth either of us arguing about.

I mention my own faith just as a way of getting at a larger point. There are many on the Left - and some on the Right - who would say that belief in God is simpleminded and weak, that it’s a crutch for the intellectually feeble, that to believe in God is to diminish Man.

Certainly, I can understand their viewpoint. Whether or not God exists, belief in Him is an idea, and like most ideas, the question of whether it’s good or bad depends on how you apply it in your daily life. If your belief in God makes you feel better about yourself, incites you to become a better person, and encourages you to dare mighty things, secure in the knowledge that He’s got your back, that’s great! If your believe in God makes you feel horribly unworthy and insignificant, living a life in fear of accidentally breaking some rule or whatever…well…I’ve been there myself. I didn’t like it, I certainly wouldn’t want to do it again, I can’t say I’d wish it on anyone, but at the same time it probably *was* important for one stage in my development. I‘ve since - gratefully - outgrown it , and I have put off childish things (1st Corinthians 13:11) Conversely, the same could be said of Atheism: You can take your disbelief in God as a license to live your life to the fullest, content in the knowledge that no one will judge you when you die, *or* you can live your life in a state of Woody Allenesque near-panic, knowing that each tick of the clock brings you closer to oblivion, and everything and everyone is all for naught. Again, it’s what you do with it, you know?

As for me, I believe in God.

And I believe in Man.

Mankind, rather. Humanity, if you will. I’m not trying to exclude anyone. My belief in God doesn’t make me feel diminished, it makes me feel enervated! We’re not miserable, scraping little monkeys with freakishly distended frontal lobes, we’re the freakin’ pinnacle of creation! What is Man, that God should be mindful of us? I don’t know, but I’m told that he created to be only temporarily lower than the angels, and crowned us with glory and honor (Psalm 8:4-5). Not only does that imply He likes us, it also *Strongly* implies that we’ve got some serious potential! The version of God that I worship values us so highly that He allows us to argue with Him (The entire book of Job) and haggle with Him (Genesis 18:22-33) and just generally puts up with us being jerks, rather than just wipe us out entirely, and He’s gone to great personal cost to allow us to better ourselves.

The point being: I believe in God, and I believe that God believes in us.

No idea why that should be, but there it is: We’re partners in this great big crazy scary endless life thing, junior partners, it’s true - I’m not arrogant - but that just makes me feel better and better about things, you know? As a species, we undeniably kick ass. Even with all our vary obvious problems, we *still* kick ass.

Which is why it’s so confounding to me that those on the Left don’t seem to believe in our amazing, limitless potential as a species.

We’ve all seen this kind of defeatist crap coming from the left - and you’ll not that I’m not singling out Democrats here, because the problem is larger than just one party. We’ve seen people increasingly claiming that we’re less than we are, claiming that every impressive thing we’ve ever done is somehow a blasphemy against nature, claiming that there are more people right now than the earth can support, claiming that we must make do with less, and that we shouldn’t even try for more, that we should be content with living in our limits. People who say that every boon to humanity from the Agricultural Revolution on down to the present is only a “Temporary Boost” and therefore not worth doing. The Agricultural Revolution was like eight thousand years ago. That's one hell of a long "Temporary." This is a weird combination of technophobia and self-loathing that’s somehow grown up

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Good Job Mama Fisi

Take everything you wrote, replace it with it's opposite, and you have described libertarianism perfectly.

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While the lefties are distrustful of people who wish to manipulate their part of the material world as they see fit, the righties are frightened nearly to death by anyone who wants to define their own spiritual reality as *they* see fit.

According to righties, you are not allowed to:

- Love who you wish to love

- Believe in any god but Jesus

- Use science to understand nature

- Live happily in America if your skin is darker than Type II on the Fitzpatrick scale

Yes, the lefties believe we should be happy shivering in the dark rather than disrupt the balance of nature, but the righties believe we should be happy straining under the yoke rather than disrupt the balance of society.

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It's all about control

People who wish to control others start by demoralizing them and depriving them of intelligence.

They control the education system to ensure that only their doctrines are taught. Eventually everyone comes to believe in these doctrines because they never learned any different.

They make free thinking a crime, because people who think for themselves may come to the conclusion that their leaders are wrong.

The leaders try to convince the led that only the leaders know what's good and right for the society, and denigrate anyone who defies them.

They hand out "rewards" to those who toe the party line. Those who completely surrender to the leaders are given cushy positions but no real power, and are thrown under the bus when things go sour because sell-outs make great cannon fodder.

They take away any incentive to strive by imposing punishments, either physical, moral, or mental, on those who seek to exceed their imposed status.

Opposition is marginalized by ridicule, threats, lies, slander, and eventually, bodily harm or exile.

And if and when the leadership fails, it blames everything on its opposition, either for having screwed things up too badly to fix while they were in control, or for working to undermine the current leadership.

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Humanism

Yeah, Secular Humanism has become such a buzzword that people on both sides tend to forget Christian Humanism has been around a lot longer, and made a far greater impact on the world. (Religious Humanism in general, really. Most religions have some aspect of this)

What bugs me about this is that among Fundamentalists, the term "Humanism" has picked up some guilt by association, and they forget it's a good thing.

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A fascinating discussion

This topic showed up in "Today's Popular Content".

In reading it, I realize there's a good deal to think about here.

Fascinating!

(Oh, dear, I've dropped into Spock mode.)

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Lying Kan't help you

this argument about doing what is right reminds me of a dicussion I had in my philosophy class

for example,

An innocent victim is fleeing a murderer. The victim comes to cross-roads. She lays a false trail leading to the left, dropping her handkerchief and leaving footprints in the mud. Then she carefully goes on the right-hand road, ensuring no footprints are visible for a while, hoping that the murderer will see the false trail, come to believe that she went left, and thus permit her to escape. The victim has done nothing wrong according to most people’s moral intuitions. Observe that the act is in a significant way different from lying. For while asserting a sentence commits the speaker to the truth of what the sentence expresses, laying a trail and dropping handkerchief does not commit one to anything. In doing it, the victim does not invite the murderer’s trust. The murderer when following the false trail does not do so out of trust in the victim but out of trust in the inductive generalization: “Where there are footprints, there likely a person has gone.” Following an inductive generalization is very different from trusting a person. The murderer would have no right to feel betrayed by the victim were the murderer to learn what happened. Here we have deception but no lie and no moral wrong.

Or consider the victim hiding in the bushes from a murderer with a shotgun. She puts her hat on a stick and hangs props it up a yard away from herself, so as to ensure the murderer’s aim goes awry. In doing so, she intends that the murderer should be deceived as to the victim's location. But she is not lying. There is no trust violated. The victim did not commit herself to anything. Indeed, no communicative act was engaged in. Surely what the victim did was right, and the murderer would have no right to feel wronged or betrayed.

However, in both of these examples Kant has to judge the act wrong, since it violates both forms of the CI in exactly the same way lying does. If all people escaping from murderers stopped to lay false trails, then the false trails would no longer succeed at deceiving murderers, and likewise if all people hiding from murderers were to produce false physical evidence as to their location, then such physical evidence would not be believed: the murderer would shoot everywhere but under the hat. And the deceptive act, just as an act of lying, fails to respect the rationality of the person deceived. It attempts to manipulate that person to ensure that she should act in a way contrary to the ends that she has set for herself. It thus uses the other person as an automaton for achieving the deceiver’s ends, and hence fails to respect the other person as an end. Therefore, Kant would have to condemn intentionally deceptive acts on exactly the same grounds as he would condemn lying, regardless of which form of the CI is in play.

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I am officially impressed

Wow. I have to say, Jake, I am officially impressed nigh unto being blown away. I'll need to think on this for a while, but thank you.

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I understand what they want,

I understand what they want, and much of it is good (Civil Rights for Everybody), but their lack of ability to distinguish between what is good and what is nonsensical (Civil Rights for Terrorist POWs - NO! They get Geneva Convention rights, and that's it!) and what is openly destructive to the commonweal utterly befuddles me.

Evan Sayet explains it this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Here's an Executive Summary by someone on FreeReupblic, for those who have time to read but not to watch a speech: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/hl1020.cfm

And for people who don't have that kind of time either, there's an "executive summary" of sorts here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1806173/posts

High points:

* Liberalism looks at human history and sees that none of man's ideas have succeeded in creating a world without war, poverty, crime and injustice. So, since all of man's ideas have proven to be wrong, the real cause of war, poverty, crime and injustice must be found -- can only be found -- in the attempt to be right... because without that, we would have nothing to fight over ever again (nothing to kill or die for, as John Lennon says).

* The obvious solution is to reject everything that civilization has ever accomplished, to disavow the systems that have brought us this far. And the only way they can do that is by tearing down the Right and elevating the Wrong until they're at the same level, and by denying that there's any difference between the two.

* Rational and moral thought is an act of bigotry, because no matter how sincerely you gather the facts, or how earnestly you look at the evidence, no matter how disciplined your reasoning, your conclusions will be nothing more than a reflection of your own prejudices and presumptions. Therefore, the only way to eliminate bigotry is to eliminate rational thought. Indiscrimination of thought becomes a moral imperative, and critical thinking becomes a hate crime.

* In a vacuum of discrimination -- that is, of reason -- success, by its simple existence, is proof of some chicanery. Therefore, siding with failure becomes an act of justice. And in a vacuum of discrimination, good, by its simple existence, proves itself the beneficiary of some prejudice; evil must be the victim of some injustice. Therefore siding with evil and against good is an act of justice.

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Troubling

I've met a lot of genuinely good, caring, hard-working people on the left who really do want to make the world a better place. I don't want to give the impression that I'm ragging on everyone on that side of the fence. In my opinion, regardless of one's ideology, a person who does something is better than a person who does nothing, you know? A conservative who volunteers time working in a soup kitchen is better than a utopian socialist who does nothing, likewise, a liberal who volunteers time in a soup kitchen is better than a conservative who does nothing.

But what really confuses me is the difference between words and thoughts on the left. They claim to believe in democracy, but when they loose they say we cheated or that our opinions shouldn't count, or that we're simply fools (I'm looking at you, Nancy Pellosi!) They claim to be progressive, and yet their ideas are basically things that either haven't worked at all anywhere in the world (Utopian socialism), or are things they've stolen from other countries (Nationalized healthcare). They repeatedly oppose big ticket science projects in favor of funding traditional chair manufacturing methods. They claim to want to help everyone, and yet they ignore a million or so Indians living in third-world conditions on reservations in favor of gay marriage for a bunch of upper-middle class folk.  They claim to love America, and yet they're staunchly internationalist.

I'm going to stop short of saying they're hateful and evil and mean, because I don't think they are, and I don't believe they're all selfish either, but I admit I've never really understood them. I understand what they want, and much of it is good (Civil Rights for Everybody), but their lack of ability to distinguish between what is good and what is nonsensical (Civil Rights for Terrorist POWs - NO! They get Geneva Convention rights, and that's it!) and what is openly destructive to the commonweal utterly befuddles me.

To be honest, I think FDR himself would be repulsed by modern Democratic realpolitik. Say what you will about the guy, but he never nationalized *ANYTHING*.

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Happy happy funtime

R3 maybe the left will go back to looking forward and not back once all the boomers are out of the way. If you look at when we started to say hey there is a limit it started when the boomers hit the age when they should have stopped going to dead concerts and start to build and produce.

The endless summer BS of many boomers is what is holding us back now. They just don’t want to grow old and step aside just like in the 70’s they just wanted to party till the end. It is hard to reach for the stars when you are doing blow and staring at your navel. The death of big ideas and dreams is not all the boomers fault but their what’s in it for me attitude does not help.

Its funny how the intellectual left says we have to stop and go back but there leaders seem never to lack for anything from Volvos to private jets. The boomers seem allergic to hard work, why else would they come up with Tune in, Turn on and Drop out. That saying sums up why in the end they will be remembered as the did nothing generation.

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