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HOW NOT TO LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT: Lesson 2: “Faith vs. Facts.”

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ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED ON 8/24/09

These are trying times for Republicans. Not only did we lose the election, we got pantsed. Control of both houses and the presidency have been lost. We’re involved in two unpopular wars, we‘re bordering on a third, the government is deeply in debt, the international economy is in the crapper, and whether wrong or right, the strong public consensus is that it’s entirely our fault. Whether you’re a die-hard Bush supporter, or a moderate who feels mistakes were made, I think it’s pretty obvious that the party and its members are having a bit of an image problem right now.

To that end, I humbly submit this guide on how we can change our reputation and not be perceived as paranoid racists and raving religious fanatics, at least on a one-to-one basis.

LESSON 2: “Faith versus Facts.”

First of all, let me point out that you’re probably *not* an idiot. If you’re reading our site regularly then you’ve probably conservative and you’ve probably got some interest in Science Fiction and other theoretical stuff as well. That suggests that you’re at least on the upper half of the bell curve, so don’t take umbrage. You’re probably plenty smart. However society runs on customs and unfair generalizations and preconceptions, and a poorly-defined social code. No matter how smart one may be, they still risk *looking* like a dope if they can’t express themselves adequately, or if they stub their toes on one of those invisible customs. We all know people who are freakishly smart, but can’t remember to close their mouth when they chew food, or who go all squirrelly ‘round the edges when it comes to some aspects of social interaction.

Our purpose is to help you avoid that.

Secondly, today we're going to be a bit more overtly religious than we normally are. This will undoubtedly make all of us - including me - a bit uncomfortable, but as I'm a Christian, and as many of our readers are likewise, I feel the need to explain a fairly common falacy amongs my good-hearted well-meaning bretheren (And sisteren) which has an adverse affect on the left, and will make them look down on you - and perhaps Christ by extension. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad or look stupid, just trying to point out a problem, an explanation, and then present a possible alternative which you can accept or deny as The Spirit moves you.

“Facts” and “Faith” are two not-terribly-related concepts that frequently get used interchangeably by both sides of the political spectrum. Let’s try to iron out the differences shall we?

Going straight to the source, we’re told “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen.” (Hebrews 11:1) I think we could find a more specific definition than that in the dictionary, but I don’t think we could find a *better* one. Meanwhile, a “Fact” is defined as :
1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2. a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
(Thanks to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fact)
In short, the fundamental difference is that faith is something you believe without evidence, and facts are something you don’t have to believe in because they’re proven to be true. The operative word here is “Believe.” Faith is based on Belief, and Facts are based on evidence.

There’s nothing wrong with this, it’s the way things should be, really. Some things you believe, and some things you know. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God; I know that China sent their first man in to space in 2003. See the difference there?

I can easily prove that Yang Liwei was the first Chinese citizen in space, I can not prove that Jesus is the Son of God. My inability to prove the latter doesn’t mean it isn’t true, it simply means that it’s a matter of faith, not facts. I can’t prove that my parent’s love for me is real, either, but it is. Some things are simply too intangible to be analytical about, but we accept them as real anyway. There are zillions of examples: We can’t prove that love exists, we can’t prove that our favorite

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extemes kill republics

Historically, it has been the polar extremes that drive change.

That is true R2 but it is also true they also are the ones that cause a system to collapse. Both parties are more interested right now in the destruction of the other side they are not really interested in doing what is right for the country. I have been a Republican all my life but I never put party before country which is what is happening right now in Washington. Both parties on the national level have lost contact with the people and have forgotten who it is they work for. The emigration bill the republicans tried to ram through in 2007 was not for the good of any body but a few businesses. The health care bill the Dems are now trying to ram through is more about grabbing control of the economy like the auto bailout was than what is right for the country same with cap and trade.

Political theories do not solve problems there is not a right or left way to build a road or power station or to treat cancer. The problem we face right now is that to many people do think there is a right or left way to go things like build a road or to treat cancer. Political theories help in organizing people to get to the point where real work is done it is not the real work itself.

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I'd put the numbers slightly differently

I'd say 30/30/30ish, with about a third being horribly liberal, a third being horribly conservative, and the remaining third being horribly horrible. That's the way the numbers actually broke in the revolution, and it seems it's probably a fairly standard deviation in most things.

Doesn't disprove anything you said, just makes it a bit more specific. It's why, ideally, we should have a 3-party system: Republicans, Democrats, and Enablers.

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Another view of moderation

Historically, it has been the polar extremes that drive change. There's roughly 20% active conservatives vs. 20% active liberals and 60% that float somewhere betwixt the poles.

Only 20% of the proto-American public were in favor of the American Revolution, for example.

This is why establishing your base and bringing in moderates are two different campaign activities. The first is getting one's share of their prospective 20%, and the rest is convincing the 'great unconvinced' that a candidate is aligned with their best interests.

The BIG problem is the 60% is largely ignorant of the issues and can't be counted on to vote.

The parties have seen this, and since the great 'moderate' vote is a myth, they have largely decided to stop pandering to it and dedicate their resources to destroying the opposite extreme.

And since moderates who do vote tend to value compromise and 'getting along' to the detriment of doing the right thing--- I find them lukewarm and enabling evil.

But that's just me. Your Mileage May Vary.

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Rome by way of London

That's one of those things that people have brought up a lot - that Republics seem doomed to be eaten up by corruption and/or entrenched power structures. While our system is obviously based on the Roman one, it's actually also based on the British system as well. We've got an upper and lower house like them (Senate, House of Representatives, for which there was no Roman equivalent), there's clearly set boundaries of power, we have an independent justice system, our president is more like a Prime Minister than a Roman Consul, and our federalist system is more closely related to the division of England up in to regions like Scotland and Wales, whereas the Romany system had more in common with a city council than a national government. And our system is a good deal more flexible.

So while the inherent weaknesses of republics are definitely inherent in our system, the practical English experience compensates for an awful lot of that. Which doesn't mean we can't go down in flames, it just means that if we do, we'll go down in flames of a sort that no one has ever seen before.

Curiously, the English system is vastly more flexible than our own, presumably due to not really having a written constitution, and I think they tend to handle political parties better than we do here. I don't think we can apply english solutions to a modern American problem, of course, but the role of party in government is more clearly defined there than here, and considerably more responsible to it's voters as a result.

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Rome

Maybe it's the bad mojo from having our form of government largely based on the Roman republic. This is the way they went down factions killing each other and corruption the order of the day Caesar just but the last knife into it. It is sad to think that our republic is doing the same thing the United States will last for a long time but as a real republic I do not know both parties seem bent on killing it.

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The End of Political Discourse

Yeah, I agree. If you look at a president who was a really solid consensus builder, one who worked towards what was best for the country, the last one was really Reagan. He could make people like him, built personal relationships with the other side, and having been a democrat in his youth, he knew how things worked and had a lot of shared experiences with the left. Bush the First attempted to keep this going, but lacked the political and people skills to really accomplish much. Clinton didn't give a damn about the right, and Republicans got angrier and angrier, and when we retook the presidency in 2000, I think on some level we treated it as a vindication more than a victory and we didn't really give a damn about the left, which just made the left crazier and angrier. Now that they're in power again, they seem to want to rule rather than lead, and hurt us rather than merely point out the error of our ways. This is a hell of a bad way to run a railroad, and unfortunately, it's been going on for about 20 years. If neither side plays the compromise game - and neither side wants to - then the system breaks down, transitions of power become much more traumatic, and, well, life sucks for everyone.
and neither party seems to realize, or care, that it's the moderate swing voters who carry elections, not the diehards.

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Republican party

I have been very unhappy with the Republican party for some time. On social issues I am more of a libertarian than a conservative. I thought to much political energy was spent by the social conservatives on issue that they can not win in the 90's and during GW's two terms. For me on many of the social hot button issues both sides have gone to far. I believe every one has the right to believe what they want I just don't want laws passed that push other peoples beliefs both atheists and the religious right have a bad habit of doing that.

The Republican party riped itself apart over social issues driving out many moderate and liberal Republicans and now we get to watch the Democratic party do the same because its far left thinks they won something in the last election when in reality it was a vote against what the Republicans where doing not what the Dems would do. With the moderates and liberals out of the Republican party it has lost most of the northeast and is in danger of losing states like Nevada (where I live) because it's more of a libertarian state than a conservative one. If the party would get back to smaller government, lower taxes and a strong defense it will come back. But if it keeps fighting social issues that are unattainable in the end the party will fad and a new one will come to take its place.

I know the social issues are very important to many people but most of that stuff should be handled at the local or state level. It plays into the hands of the social left to have this stuff at a national level where their ideas can be imposed on the whole country. A good case in point is abortion, if the Supreme Court stuck down Roe v Wade today only a few states would outlaw it because in most states there is support for some forms of abortion. But with the extreme right and left it's always all or nothing and sorry to say that is not where most of the country is. The states that want to have it but regulate it more can't because it got taken to the national level and made it impossible to do anything about it. It's one of the no win issues, the Court is not going to change it and it burns up energy that can be used to fight issues that can be won. This has nothing to do with my beliefs it has to do with realpolitik.

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