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Jake Was Here
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Or, if you have any other suggestions for reasonably major metropolitan areas that have NO snow and keep the rain segregated to less than half the year, but still enough rain to support plant life that doesn't need spikes - I'm all ears.
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Phoenix isn't too bad -- I've lived here for 30 years and have only ever seen snow in the city ONCE; I can't remember the last time the temperature went below thirty degrees, either. And despite the lack of rain (which is an inaccurate description -- we have about two or three short "rainy seasons" every year, often enough to flood our dry riverbeds), there's no shortage of water... there's all sorts of trees here, and a metric shitload of swimming pools.

As far as real estate goes, in my opinion, we actually benefited from the housing crash -- we went from prohibitively high prices to a buyers' market in five years. There was a time when you couldn't find a comfortable place in a decent neighborhood for less than a hundred thousand dollars... but a lot of those houses have dropped by now to $90K or lower, and in many cases there's no HOA to deal with either. There's a ton of affordable apartments, condos, and townhouses scattered all over the place, as well.

Culturally, we're not bad off. We've got a load of museums and libraries, several sports teams, about five hundred excellent restaurants (ignore whatever the Texans may tell you, Arizona and New Mexico are the only places in the country where you can get decent Mexican food), and a pretty active music scene -- although it tends to skew rather solidly to the Left, as you'd expect from any music scene with a major university as one of its pools of talent.

The major downsides of living here are: (1) We have apparently imported a lot of people from southern California over the last fifteen years. While they haven't quite managed to infect us with their politics yet, they HAVE brought their lack of driving etiquette with them. (2) The summer heat is particularly oppressive for those who aren't used to it; we can go as long as two weeks on end with the temperature hitting three-digit territory every day. On the bright side, humidity -- which Arizonans have come to find infinitely more annoying than mere heat -- is mercifully rare; when we say "It's a dry heat", we're usually bragging. Of course you will probably pay through the nose for your electricity once it gets hot enough that you have to run your air conditioner twenty-one hours a day, but you will also eventually realize that it's worth every cent. (3) The bad parts of town are in fact quite scuzzy, but that's the case with any metropolitan area -- and anybody who's been here longer than six months knows how to avoid them anyway. Meanwhile, I live in a place where I've accidentally left my car parked on the street unlocked overnight on more than one occasion and had absolutely nothing happen to it.

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Whenever someone says, "I could never live there!" I think to myself, "Well, all these other people want to call it home, so there must be something to say for it."

I agree with you that dry heat is much better than the 3H's: hot-humid-hazy. I'll add Phoenix to my list.

Thank you Jake Was Here

BTW Here's an article I read regarding a prediction that housing prices would continue to decline for the next 20 years - and why that's a good thing. The SF tie-in is that Robert Shiller makes the case that houses are just a manufactured product - something Heinlein wrote about in the story "A Place of Her Own."

http://wallstreetpit.com/76795-robert-shiller-i-am-optimistic-that-home-...

Flabbergasted
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Went to college there. Not a bad town at all, but it's not always green. Quite a drought going on this year. Quite hot in the summer, too, with humidity, though not as bad as the Gulf coast. Fall and winter are generally pretty pleasant. Good tech industry base for jobs if that's your thing.

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>>I am soooo tired of Seattle weather. We had only three days of sun last summer, and used up our three days of sun for 2012 last week.<<

When my mom was a NASA engineer and we were moving all over the country, we lived in Seattle for six months or so, tied to some Martin-Marietta project or another. I was really little. My memories are of a dark and gloomy and wet land, beplagued by smelly hippies.

My dad later told me that actual sunny days were so rare there that one of the newspapers gave out free copies when there were no clouds at all. He said they usually only ended up giving out between 2 and 5 a year.

Conversely, a girl I dated from Sarasota, Florida, told me that it was so sunny there, that a local paper gave out free copies on days when the sun didn't come out at all. About 2-5 a year.

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Lived there off and on for 3 years.

A college town, liberal in politics. As Flabbergasted noted, a good tech industry. I was working in Semiconductors at Motorola and Applied Nanotech.

As you noted, there's a good music scene. There's also a big bar scene.

Also as Flabbergasted noted, they're in the middle of a huge drought. In winter, they have a lack of snow moving equipment. I was there through 2 snow storms and basically the city shut down. When I went to work (10 mile drive) I lost count of the number of cars piled up on the shoulder at 50.

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Texas has a lot of regions, and many Texans are very proud to live there. But I've visited Texas a few times, and the thing that jumps out at me is the heat. It was over 100 degrees in October when I was visiting Austin, and everything was dry and crunchy. The glare from the roads and parking lots was blinding to a person more used to green hills. The city has a newness to it fueled by the tech boom of about a decade ago that is interesting if you're into architecture, but it was also woefully short on public transport options (at least where I was staying there weren't any buses to get downtown) and navigating Texas road systems can be daunting to those not used to eight lanes of traffic plus feeder roads.

San Antonio was also into triple-digit heat when I was there, and it didn't cool off at night--granted I was visiting last August during their horrific drought. Despite an aquifer and the veneer of being in a green area, much of Texas is really a desert, and the water police will bust your ass if you have a leaky hose tap. Your neighbors will rat you out, too.

We also went to San Antonio in December. My nephews were able to go in for a swim in their grandma's outdoor pool. If you prefer warm temperatures, San Antonio is the place for you. There is a public transit system, but I can't say if it's any good because I didn't get a chance to use it.

IIRC the Carolinas are having trouble at the moment because they expanded so quickly and in the economic downturn their card houses are coming apart. That said, my cousin moved his family to Cornelius, NC because the cost of living was much more affordable than in NJ where he'd grown up. And having visited nearby Davidson for my nephew's college graduation, I can say the area is quite lovely, with a large manmade reservoir/lake, lots of attractive shops, and lovely homes. I don't know what people do for money there, but it looks like a well-planned community.

There's often lists of "best and worst places to..." on my news homepage. Here's a link to one put out by Money Magazine that I just googled:

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2011/

You could probably come up with some candidates by doing a little research using your own criteria, 10000li. Some people want a vibrant arts community; others want great schools. It's all rather subjective.

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Do not think of Las Vegas the economy has crashed and burned the summer weather is beyond hot and the town is ugly in the day time.

On the plus side the housing bubble burst has driven home prices into the floor so it's a buyers market here.

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Mama Fisi, right you are

It is subjective, and the various "best of" sites can give some insight as well.

The reason I asked the 'botdom for comments was that spontaneous comments on a site devoted to SF would be at least "true" from the subjective POV of the poster. Unless neorandomizer works for the LV tourist board? (wink)

And I've learned a bit. I was expecting Austin's climate to be more like Louisiana, but you-all have pointed out that it gets pretty dry there, too.

My subjective list is pretty short:

*A city large enough to have opportunities for my above-average kids (they really are, per school district testing),

*but no so big as to be blighted.

*Enough warm weather through the year to play outside.

*Colleges and universities so we can continue our business of hosting homestay students.

*And a diverse enough population so that my Chinese family won't be the only one in town.

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Go To Cornelius, Ben Stone...

Then you might want to consider Cornelius, NC more carefully, 10000li. The Wiki article says the Mecklenburg area is mostly white, but Asians do have a 1.24% of the population, and Davidson College is a very highly regarded school with an AMAZING code of ethics (if a student finds a coin on the sidewalk, they have to post a found ad on the bulletin board. My nephew Trey was really delighted with the school. All of his classmates whom I met at the graduation were also well pleased with it, and the student body seemed pretty diverse.)

There are eight private schools listed in the article as being in the Cornelius area.

(PS. the thread title is from "Doc Hollywood." He hets temporarily detained in a rural town in South Carolina.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius,_North_Carolina

The town of Davidson around the university had some gorgeous older homes; on the outskirts, the development was all coordinated so that the shops, restarants, and stores all blended together with brick and stucco architecture--I was impressed, and that takes some doing.

Lake Norman is quite lovely and very big--I seem to recall not being able to see the far shore from the bridge we'd crossed. One of the parties for the kids of my nephew's clique took place at the most beautiful lake house that the families got together and rented for the weekend. Across the inlet were McMansions on postage-stamp lots, but the side we were on had very classy-looking (think expensive New England vacation home) houses.

Only you can know what it is you're looking for, but you might want to consider this area.

http://www.cornelius.org/

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Davidson College

Don't know why I didn't add a link to the college.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_College

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I did my time in the Army ar Ft. Bragg, NC. It was nice, I enjoyed it, but I don't have any experience with housing there (I lived in the barracks). I can tell you, though, that it DOES snow. Not much. So little, in fact, that half an inch while I was there got the entire base shut down. I live in Ohio, so to me that was hilarious. But it does snow, however negligably.

Also, I grew up in the LA area. I loved SoCal, and I miss it. If I could afford to live there again, I would. If you can afford the high COL in Cali, I recommend it. California is beautiful.

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Yes, that's probably the most limiting factor--California is incredibly expensive to live in.

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SheldonCooper,

Yes. I lived down in SoCal when I was in grade school: Compton (yes, really!), San Pedro and then San Diego. The Navy moved my dad to Lewiston, Idaho to be a recruiter just before I was going to get my first surf board. I had planned on going to USCD to study Marine Biology and work at Scripps. Don't know why I didn't just move back for college and continue with my original idea, but like John Lennon said, "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

While it is still wonderful in many ways, as you note, the cost of living is so high that it's hard to justify. There are other problems in California, too, due to their totally messed up State and local governments.

I did see that their economy was recovering a bit, however:
http://wsau.com/news/articles/2012/feb/15/california-economy-to-slowly-i...

And don't get me wrong about snow: I grew up in Montana, then we moved back there after my dad retired (one of the worst moves of our lives, IMO). Snow is one of the reasons why I left, never to voluntarily return. The snows we get in Seattle are pretty weak compared even to most of Eastern Washington - but that's part of the problem. Our snows are so few and far between and last for such a short time, there is almost no infrastructure in place to deal with them, hence, the whole Pugetopolis region shuts down for what would be a "skiff" in the Mountain West, Midwest or New England.

An example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzBdW1OVcWw

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Hey 10000li:

I don't know whether you & your family have moved yet, but if you have, I am really, really sorry you had to come East during the worst heat wave the Midlantic States have had in a generation. I know you were concerned about the humidity. Trust me, this is abnormal. We usually get two or three weeks of really hot weather in July, and the rest of the summer is tolerable, if not actually pleasant. And as for that "derecho" storm that trashed the place--I've never heard of anything like it before. This summer is one for the record books.

Best wishes,

MF

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Mama,

As a matter of fact, I've been in Gaithersburg since the last week of June, so I have endured the heat and the storms and the rain today (7/9/12).

However, I'm being transferred yet again and will make my home in Newark, DE from this Sunday. My territory has expanded to include the greater Philly area as well as DC and Baltimore, but now, it seems, most of my accounts are north.

Newark seems like a nice little town, with the U of D right in the middle. Most importantly for me and my family, right now, is The New School. This is a K-8 school implementing the "open school" philosophy. One advantage of this philosophy is that students don't start any subject until they are ready, then they move forward at their own pace. The result is that students usually move through the subjects faster and experience much less frustration. Since there is no pressure on students to achieve a certain level by a certain time, they never feel "stupid" for not meeting someone else's goals. Even so, students in these kinds of schools cover all the supposed "basics," but they actually do them faster than do kids at traditional schools, so they have more time for additional learning in the areas that interest them. So, despite what the mainstream educational establishment would tell us, kids who are left to their own learning ultimately get much more learning done than do kids who are told what they should be learning today.

Check out Sudbury School for more information about the idea of open schools.

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Good luck!

I hope you & your family settle in and are happy, 10000li. When I saw "Newark" I almost choked, but I reread you said "Newark, DE." I used to live in New Jersey. You don't go to Newark NJ without an armed escort.

I don't have any experience with the method of education you'd described, so please offer periodic updates as to how your kids are progressing. I've long thought that teaching by hands-on example would be far more interesting than teaching by rote out of a book, but then I was one of those weird kids who loved school and read encyclopedias for fun.

Best wishes to you & yours! The weather seems a bit cooler today, so let's hope it's a trend.

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