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BeeLine to the Future: The Future of Death

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I’ve been thinking about the future and the singularity a lot lately. One issue that Kurzweil and other singularity intellectuals focus on is death. In The Futurist magazine Thomas Fey has published an article “When Death Becomes Optional: Rethinking the inevitable.”

“The year is 2032. You have just celebrated your 80th birthday and you have some tough decisions ahead. You can either keep repairing your current body or move into a new one.
The growing of “blank” bodies has become all the rage, and by using your own genetic material, body farmers can even recreate your own face at age 20.

In just 20 years, this is an industry that has moved from the equivalent of Frankenstein’s laboratory to the new celebrity craze, with controversy following it every step of the way.
The combination of a few high profile “accidents” along the way, coupled with those in the religious community who claim that body farmers are playing God, and asking “where does our soul reside?” has given it thousands of top media headlines around the world.

Every person on the planet has a different opinion about this moral dilemma, or whether its safe or dangerous, or whether we should just get better at repairing our existing bodies.
As medical advances continue, and we devise an entirely new range of health-enhancing options, I propose we set a new standard, raising the bar to the highest possible level. I propose we put an end to human death.” http://www.wfs.org/content/when-death-becomes-optional

Fey’s article is interesting because he discusses many issues that would arise if we ended death. Do we preserve our bodies, grow a new one, or upload our minds into a computer?
What do we do with criminals? Do we execute them instead of letting them live forever? Do we destroy their memories so they are no longer a danger to society?

In To Live Forever, Jack Vance posits a future society in which immortality is the ultimate reward. Five categories have been created for citizens, for achievements in each category you get extra years of life. The ultimate currency in is not money, but slope, which measures your contributions to society. Those who have made the highest contributions, the fortunate few, achieve Amaranth, true immortality. In Vance’s world, a meritocracy is created, with the most successful gaining immortality, while the majority of the population eventually dies.
Who pays for immortality? Vance postulates a free market economy based on eternal life; you earn slope, and that translates into a longer life. Otherwise, Malthusian overpopulation would cause mass starvation. I don’t think that is a practical solution: even if the system was fair, my guess is that the “undeserving,” who don’t obtain enough slope, would eventually rise up against the immortals. Why let the most accomplished live forever while everyone else dies?
Fey’s article, unlike Vance’s novel, doesn’t address the economic and environmental problems with eternal life. If people could live forever, could we grow enough food? Wouldn’t we overrun and destroy the planet in a generation or two?

There are also psychological problems with eternal life. Could we remain productive if we lived 500 years? How about 1,000 years? Immortality has a rich tradition in literature and mythology: from the myth of Tithonus, who asked the gods for immortality, but forgot to ask for eternal youth, and was cursed to live forever as a shriveled husk, or the Wandering Jew, doomed to transverse the Earth for centuries in misery. Would immortality lead to stagnation, boredom, and an end to innovation? Is it necessary to replace other generations with newer generations for humanity to continue being innovative?

Commentators on my previous post on Transcendental Man pointed out that true immortality is impossible. Eventually the universe will end. That point is certainly true, although if we achieve the sort of god-like transcendence envisioned by Kurzweil and other advocates of the singularity, then we might be able to escape into an alternate universe or survive as the universe makes a transition to another big bang. However, if we die in several billion years that’s certainly a long enough lifetime, so that’s not much of a concern.

A more serious issue is identity. If my memories and consciousness are uploaded into a computer or another body, is that still me? Does our identity reside in our brains and bodies, or in our memories and personality? I tend to think my identity resides in my brain, so if you copied my memories, thoughts, and consciousness, and then placed them in a computer that would just be a facsimile of my identity. The only way for me to have long life or near immortality would be if we could keep repairing my current body.

Another serious concern is resources. If we kept everyone’s body alive forever, then the world would quickly run out of resources. Unless we had functioning nanotechnology, or could ship people to other planets, we could end up with a lot of hungry immortals living in the dark.

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Stephen Hawking and the singularity

Here is an interesting article on brain computer interfaces.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/stephen-hawking/9352358/Scientists-de...

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If it happens

Even if medical science finds a way to prolong life past the now average of 80 years old it will be only the rich not the middle class or poor. Even now income and the country one lives are big factors in a persons lifespan.

If the singularity happens it will create two classes of people the transcendent and the normal's. But I believe the singularity will not happen because the human animal is far more complex than most researchers are giving it credit. There will be a limiting factor in how many organs can be transplanted and there is no research that makes me believe that brain or conciseness transplant are anywhere near in the future.

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Who wants to live forever?

I do!

I've only come to accept the cessation of my existence because it is pretty much inevitable. If death were eliminated, or at least pushed back a few centuries or even decades, I’d sign up.

I didn’t have my first child until age 39. I had my third at 47. I want to see them all grow up and I want them to be adults with me for a while. If my lifespan is average, I will make it to the college graduation of the youngest, but I’m unlikely to last long enough to see him elected the first Chinese-American President of the USA.

I love being a dad. I loved before I was a dad, and I would like to have a lot of time after being a dad as well.

Every time I accomplish something on my bucket list, it leads to dozens more entries.

I want to live long enough to travel to another planet and reside there in relative comfort for a few years.

Also, as an atheist, I have nothing to look forward to after I die, so anything that matters is going to have to happen before I do.

Nope. I will not go gentle into that good night.

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Ennui

I find it amusing that the same people who crave eternal life, usually get bored and upset if they have to wait more than two minutes on "hold."

As any collector can attest, eventually you run out of room if you never throw anything away. If no one ever died, we would have to stop producing children or else we'd run out of places to put everybody, and food to feed them--of course, maybe deathless peolpe wouldn't need to eat at all, except for amusement.

And as for amusement...if you lived for hundreds, or thousands, of years, you would run out of ways to keep yourself amused. Parents with kids off on summer vacation know this concept very well. I imagine many immortals would start to seek death as a way of ending their perpetual ennui, a sort of "last thrill."

Unless immortality was universal, how could you cope with watching your friends and loved ones age and die? As a farmer, I know something of the pain of watching generations of those I care for come and go within a relatively short portion of my own lifetime. If you want a small taste of what immortality is like, go get some pets.

How long would childhood last in an immortal species?

How long would marriage last?

What would family life be like, if there was a concept of "family" at all? Would you have to put up with your querulous old Aunt Euphemia for ten thousand years?

How would the concept of history be changed, if a person could have served in the Revolutionary War AND the Gulf War?

And exactly how egotistical would a person have to be to feel that THEY are so very special that they deserve--or have the right--to stay youthful, healthy, and beautiful forever?

I'd rather stay healthy as I get older, and then pass on, than live forever.

Masquerading as a normal person day after day is exhausting.
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