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neorandomizer
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It is that time of year once again where we get to hear the liberal revisionists distort history and tell us what evil monsters we were to use the atomic bomb on Japan in 1945.

They revel in recounting the horrifying effects of the bombs on the populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I agree we should remember the devastation caused by the two bombs so future leaders will think twice about using such terrible weapons again.

No my complaint is the total lie the anti-bombing press and activist spread about what was happening at the time of the decision to use the bomb was taken. First they claim that Japan was trying to surrender in August 1945 this is true if you take seriously the demands that the Japanese were putting forth. They wanted the Emperor to stay in power as head of state, that there would be no occupation of the Japanese home islands and that the Imperial Army and Navy would disarm themselves with no supervision and lastly that there would be no war reparations to the nations that Japan had invaded and attacked.

The Japanese terms of surrender were counter to the Potsdam Declaration which demanded unconditional surrender of Japan and all her forces. This position was not something new it had been the public policy since 1942. It is true that in the end we let the Emperor stay as a figurehead but that was done more because MacArthur thought it would make occupation easier. Our allies have never forgiven us for not having the Emperor Stand trail for war crimes.

The other lie the revisionist spread was that an invasion of Japan would not have been as costly as the estimates of one million allied and 20 million Japanese casualties. Looking at Operation Downfall and Coronet and the Japanese defense plans shows that the estimates if anything were low. Both sides planned on using chemical weapons and the allied air attack plan called for the firebombing of every city, town and village in Japan. The Japanese were training 10 year old boys and girls on the use of bamboo spears on advancing allied troops. This does not sound like a country planning on surrendering and when the Emperor did decide to surrender there was an attempted coup by elements of the Army to stop it.

Yes decry the need to use the bomb and hope and pray that it never happens again but don’t try to change history to make the bombing more evil than another bad thing that happens in war.

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I have a special connection

I have a special connection with the bombing of Hiroshima, as my birthday is August 6th, and, when I was a kid, we'd get these calendars with that date marked as "Hiroshima Day." In about Jr. High, I went to my school library to pick up a book about the bombing of Hiroshima, read it, then discovered another related event.

The "magic" of the Dewey decimal system puts Hiroshima and the Japanese internment in the same section, so, at my little Jr. High school library, next to the books about the bombing of Hiroshima, there was a book by a kid about my age who was taken from his home and placed in a prison camp, for having Japanese ancestors.

I was so surprised that "we" Americans had done such a thing to "them." I grew up in San Diego up until about 6th grade, so most of my friends were of Asian, Mexican and Western European ancestry. My family worked very hard to instill in us that "American" wasn't a race, it is a point of view. A point of view that, up until that time, did NOT include putting our citizens into prison camps. Until that time, I thought that was only something that the evil Nazis did.

That was my first indication that the government of the USA could and would rely on fear and false accusations to deprive its citizenry of their Constitutional rights. (Yeah, I knew about the Civil War, but still believed that the North was entirely good and the South entirely bad in that conflict.)

Recently, with the brouhaha over the WTC attacks on 9/11, we’ve been faced with the same problems, which basically amount to people acting from the reptilian part of their brain rather than the human part, plus the added benefit of getting to seize the property of persons falsely accused of being terrorists.

When all is said and done, I have to stick with what I believed about the American Experiment since I was a kid, and what has been reinforced by my continued study of humanity since then: The highest purpose to the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America is to protect individual liberty.

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America is the people and the people are America

People seem to forget that America is not the government, America is its people and the culture we create. The government might do things in the name of the American people but that is always the fallback position of all governments.

America is our culture, morals and beliefs and when the time comes when that is decided by the government and not the people that is when we cease to be the nation the founders envisioned.

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moving to a more social society

America' culture and beleifs do change

for example the word "handicap" refers to when a disabled person who was not able to work had to be out on a street corner, holding his cap in his hand, waiting on the generosity of others.

Back then, people were different. American were much more ready to help out their fellow man. Their views reflected that. They did not request any kind of help, because they felt that they should be able to take care of themselves.

Around the Great Depression it got so bad that Gov. programs were set up to help people out. That kinda changed peoples view of one another.
People no longer care about helping each other out. They see a person with one arm on the corner of the street and just pass them by, annoyed by the fact that the person could just ask for loads of money from the goverment to assist them.

We went from a "what we can do for our country, to a more what our country can do for us"

Don't get me wrong, a lot of problems that were created do lots of good. Public Education, National Parks, etc. but if people were more willing to help wach other out, maybe things wouldn't be so bad.

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what?!

In what universe is it ok to tell people begging on a street corner to get loads of money from the government?! There are plenty of jobs a person with one arm can do (greeter at Walmart?)! Besides, most of the pathetic wastes I see holding signs near the freeway offramps seem perfectly able bodied and capable. If they are not already on welfare, you can be sure they have applied and were turned down, probably for good reason.

We need to stop enabling laziness in this country. We need to encourage people to get out and work and not extend unemployment benefits because people think they are too good to flip burgers at McDonald's or wait tables at the Waffle House. I've worked at many different fast food places before. It's honest work. It is absolutely not ok for the government to enable people by saying "it's ok that you don't want to work at Taco Bell. Who would? Here is some of your neighbor's hard-earned cash to help you get by until you find a job you want." Incidently, this guy's neighbor, whose cash he's living off of because he refuses to sully himself in fast food, works at Burger King making 8 bucks an hour because he's willing to do anything it takes to put food in his children's stomachs. Now tell me, where is the "social justice" in that scenario?!

Obama sucks, Pelosi is a crack addict (thank you, Family Guy) and Harry Reid is a jackass!

One lab accident away from being a supervillain! Bazinga!

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